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Message to Moyer: It's over buddy

Posted on: August 4, 2009 9:42 pm
First of all, I am obviously a huge Phillies fan. Because of this I am about done with Jamie Moyer. I know, I know. Moyer has 256 career wins and has been an "iron man" in this game. However, has he ever really been that good? Not in my opinion. At least not "that" good. In 23 seasons he's been a 20 game winner only twice and barely even those two times. He's never struck out more than 158 people in a season. He's gone 9 whole different seasons without having a complete game notching only 31 total. You can hardly compare that to guys like Randy Johnson who has 100 complete games, Nolan Ryan with 222, Steve Carlton with 254, Greg Maddux with 109, Curt Schilling with 83, and the list just goes on and on. I haven't even mentioned that he has a career ERA of 4.22. Again this ranks low compared to other potential hall of famers. Yet it seems that with his 256 career wins and 23 years of longevity that he gets a pass on how actually good he really is and has been. In my opinion he's been a solid pitcher but he's gone to the All star game only once and he's finished top 5 in the Cy Young a couple times. Whoopydee doo. He's 46. Even if I thought he was true hall of fame material hes just too old. Randy Johnson was pitching better than Moyer before he was put on the DL and I almost think its time for him to hang up the cleats too. Anyway, I just think that he's only hurting the Phillies chances. I'd rather see Pedro at 9 years young fill the 5 spot on the rotation. I think it should be Lee, Hamels, Happ, Blanton, Martinez. Moyer needs to retire and if he doesn't Manual should have the sense to bench him for how bad he has been.

Since: Aug 21, 2009
Posted on: August 21, 2009 8:32 pm

Message to Moyer: It's over buddy

How do you feel about him now after that last outing? Gotta love a rain delay!  What you are speaking of is his career in total. We are here and now though in 2009. Moyer might be the 6th best starter on the squad right now.  However, as I too am a huge Phillies fan, please do not speak for all of us. Moyer's presence on the team alone is worth having him around. He is NOT hurting anything. The 46 year young Moyer will have you regret what you are saying.

Since: Dec 15, 2007
Posted on: August 18, 2009 11:55 pm

what are you talking about

1. are you arguing he should hang it up or that he's not a HOFer? these are two different arguments you appear to merge into one rant.

2. a huge phils fan would understand what moyer brings to the team in leadership and, well - see the game tonight? that didn't hurt too much.

2. complete games has not been an accurate or sensible measure of pitching efficacy for at least a generation if not more. a complete game is an abberation even for the best pitchers in the game.

3. a 20-game winner "only twice". know who else was a 20-game winner "only twice"? nolan ryan. know who else? greg maddux.

4. see the game tonight? 257 wins.

Since: Jul 8, 2009
Posted on: August 18, 2009 10:14 am

Message to Moyer: It's over buddy

I appreciate that Moyer was disappointed about his move to the bullpen.  Hell, I'm glad he is displaying a fighting spirit about the move.  That desire and determination is what has made him a professional.  But for him to say that a conversation last off season is reason for him to remain in the starting lineup is off base.  If any one of us was pulling less than our own wait at work and had been moved to a different department, we should appreciate having a job and helping our team/company be as successful as possible.  Baseball is a team sport - be a team player Jamie.  And if Amaro had promised a starting role it may have been with the understanding that Moyer's ERA wouldn't be so high.  At his age he got a two year deal - that's the demonstration of respect.  There's no place in such a competitive profession for treating players differently after the season has started unless there is a greater benefit to the team. 

Since: Jan 31, 2008
Posted on: August 17, 2009 8:12 pm

Message to Moyer: It's over buddy

Boy how quickly we forget.....

Moyer was nails for the Phils last season, before he hit the wall in September and struggled in the playoffs.  Before we "Euthanize" Moyer, we should keep him on the team to continue his mentoring of Hamels, and other young guns like Happ.

Fret not, the Phils are in first, and Moyer is not the cancerous type we see with other prima donnas

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